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ISIS, other radical Islamists driven by Muslim eschatology

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  1. Avatar adamc says:

    At least the way this lecture is described, the perspective flirts with Islamophobia. I am not saying that some of these troubling readings don’t exist within the Muslim world, they do, but the lack of nuance in presenting them is problematical. Sensitive stuff.

    We certainly don’t need Christian dispensationalists, Muslim extremist groups, or any religious millienialist to “hotwire the end times.” This madness runs counter to the real values of each faith tradition.

  2. Avatar Naseem says:

    The main stream Islam does not believe in lying nor does it teach “taquiya” ie cheating non muslims or any body for that matter. Taquia or lying to hide the truth was a sheia term used to hide their creed for other muslims (mostly Sunnies) to avoid any embarrassment of attacks.
    I am disappointed with the authors grasp of the knowledge about Islam. The article is misleading in many aspects and is an attempt at creating mischief.

  3. “adamc:”
    How can one “flirt with Islamophobia?” Either one hates Islam, or s/he does not. Your charge is simply a polite form of slander. Please explain which of the many citations I made to the Qur’an, the hadiths, and examples from Islamic history are inaccurate.

    Nasseem:
    yes, taqiyya began as a (Twelver) Shi`i practice, but has spread in recent decades into Sunni Islam: “one of the few books devoted to the subject, At-Taqiyya fi’l-Islam (Dissimulation in Islam) makes it clear that taqiyya is not limited to Shi’a dissimulating in fear of persecution.” http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

    Dr. Timothy Furnish

  4. Avatar Tina says:

    This article is timely and appreciated! Certainly, the lecture would have been interesting to attend. The information in it is supported by other military and Middle East authorities that I have encountered. I pray that many will read the article and consider carefully the implications of what was shared. The Levant, ISIL(evant) includes Israel. The way the US President has treated Israel is a radical departure from the support of the past. Those actively working toward a modern caliphate intend to defeat Israel so that the caliphate extends over all of Israel, murdering anyone who does not submit to Alah. I pray for your continued courage to speak to this vital topic.

    1. Avatar Joy Kiesling says:

      I agree people need to understand what Islam and especially ISIS is all about and I despise the word Islamophobia. There is no fear on my part of their religion even though they are very mislead and I pray they find Christ but it angers me what they think they are allowed to do in the name of their Allah. They are barbaric and put no value on life. And no I don’t think there are good and bad Muslims , there are simply Muslims!! They don’t all strap on suicide vests they just pretend to be peaceful and secretly agree with what they do. My feelings. God help us all.

  5. Avatar Joshua Lake says:

    This is territory for the Church to remain distanced from.

    These issues, from my perspective, lead only to an unhealthy relationship between Church and State, as clearly there are political implications and political motivations for “informing” us about these issues (i.e. the goal to inform, is, perhaps, a somewhat veiled goal to convert us to a political ideology that promotes war – and thereby involve us in State matters unrelated to Our Mission: Administrating Word and Sacrament, i.e. the Preaching of the Gospel of Grace).

    These matters, from my perspective, are best handled by the Left Kingdom (i.e. Earthly Kingdom) as they are the Kingdom entrusted with the Power of the Sword.

    We, as the Right Kingdom (i.e. Lord’s Kingdom), would be prudent in leaving these matters to the State – and not the Seminary (or Congregations, for that matter).

    This opinion, I believe, is thoroughly Biblical, and in keeping with our Confessions regarding the relationship and functions of the Two Kingdoms.

    Let us also keep in mind the ever present reality that there are those who place Politics above the Church, and use the Church only as a means to political power.

    It is furthermore true, that History has shown that “agents of the State” often infiltrate Churches, openly and privily (i.e. ‘undercover’), to inform on, spy on, and encourage allegiance to State activity (i.e. further the State’s agenda) e.g. Communist Russia.

    Politics, in general, is best left to the left hand.

    Only when it impedes such issues as the Right to Life (i.e. Nazi Germany/Abortion) and bans, or impedes, the Preaching of the Gospel are we to then, as stated in Acts, “obey God rather than man” – and disobey (perhaps even resist) the State.

    That is the only, in my mind, “crossover point,” where, We, as the Church, are to become politically involved (and the only time, I might add, where the Sword is allowable to be in the hands of the Church, that is, In Resistance to Tyranny.)

    1. Avatar Joy Kiesling says:

      Crazy!!! What about all the Christians being slaughtered by ISIS ? We are to stand by and do nothing ? We are our brothers keeper. Do you really think God wants us to just ignore everything they are doing? You are obviously not Lutheran. I would be interested in what you are.

  6. Avatar Joshua Lake says:

    It would seem to me most wise to keep ourselves (as the Church) unsullied from the politics of the Mohammedans (other than rejecting their teachings) so as to prevent 1. an unhealthy relationship between Church and State and 2. to keep unnecessary dissensions and opinions regarding State affairs to rise amongst us, and thereby impede our Primary goal – the Preaching of the Gospel of Grace.

  7. Avatar Roger Harrison says:

    The article says that Dr. Furnish describes the term ‘Allah’ as referring to the Muslim god. But what of the many Arabic and Malay-speaking Christians who also worship God with the name Allah? This has not been a problem anywhere except in Malaysia where Christians are banned from using ‘Allah’ http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/04/world/asia/in-malaysia-allah-is-reserved-for-muslims-only.html?_r=0 Now, certainly there is a linguistic argument as to whether ‘Allah’ derives from a proper name for the Muslim god. However, does Dr. Furnish intend that all of the Christians that worship Allah no longer use that name and retranslate all of their bibles?

    1. Mr. Harrison: a fair question. While linguistically it is true that the Arabic “Allah” simply means “the god (masculine plural),” historically and theologically it is undeniably the case that Allah has come to be associated almost entirely with the Islamic deity. I know my Arab Christian friends would argue that they were using “Allah” in liturgy and perhaps even Scriptural translations before the Muslims–but for most of the world, Allah is Islamic. My major point was to explode the myth that Muslims worship the same deity as Christians–which is certainly not the case.